Hawker Hurricane AM 274 Viewer Comments listed in chronological order with newest comments at the top ... More to come soon ...
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27 August 2008 from Sedro Woolley, Washington, USA:
Thanks for letting me stop in today. Really enjoyed seeing you two, and viewing the progress on
AM 274. I forwarded your website to my son who works nearby {in} Burlington, trying to entice
him and or his buddies to stop by. If that happens, I'll give you a call to make an appointment.
Best regards, Brian
13 November 2008 from Sweden:
Hello, Great renovation work!! I am interested in buying a Hurricane for my flying museum.
Best regards, Joakim
15 August 2008 from Canada:
I have two original Hawker Hurricane external jettisonable fuel tanks for sale in good condition.
Thought you might be interested. They are presently in Canada.
Regards, Gordon
As can be seen on this website ... Progress in 2008 ... we DID communicate further with Gordon and we DID purchase the Auxiliary Fuel (drop) tanks Gordon had mentioned in his contact email.
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11 February 2007 from France:
Dear Sir, I am Assistant Editor for the magazine "Les Cahiers du RSA", it is the official magazine of
french aviation oldtimers and collectors. It would be interesting to publish the "News" on your
project Hawker Hurricane AM274 ??? I work also for several magazines {for} aviation oldtimers and
collectors in the world. Could you send to me photographs in high resolution of your project
"Hawker Hurricane AM274"???
Best regards, ERIC
Click on the title to see the article that Eric published in the third trimester 2009 edition of "Les Cahiers du RSA" and also in the March-April 2009 edition of the magazine "Avions" .
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21 August 2008 from England:
Hello from England! My name is Nigel and I am Assistant Editor of FlyPast Magazine, the UK’s
biggest selling aviation journal. I’ve noticed on your fine website the excellent work you are carrying
out on the Hawker Hurricane and would like to report this wonderful progress in our next issue and,
if you are agreeable, I’d just need a few high resolution photos to choose from and permission to use
some of the info from your website. I’d be happy to pay for any shots used, would send you some
free copies of the magazine and credit you for your work.
Hope you can help!
Best wishes, Nigel
8 October 2008 from England:
Hi, Very interesting web site I stumbled across about your Hurricane AM274. I did offer to do
some research in the early 90's on the Hurricanes in Canada but nothing proceeded. I do have a bit
more information from a Norwegian friend who has helped me in the past.
Hello Mark,
Unfortunately I can not tell you for sure the name of the pilot of this bird, as this Hurricane was one of five
Hurricanes of 2./78. IAP VVS SF shot down in air battle over Bol. Volkovaja bay (Petsamo) on 19 June 1943 at
02:45 Russian time. I have the Serial on each of them, but can not say for sure which pilot flew which aircraft.
But most likely the pilot was JLt Jurij Ivanovich Maslennikov, as he was the only one making a forced landing
and escaping unhurt. The other pilots either crashed with the aircraft or bailed out in the air. In the archives this
aircraft is listed as force landed on the sea at Heinäsaari, but that can easily be wrong location.
I then sent him a bit more info from yourweb site.
Everything in this story is correct, except that JLt Andrej Filippov Nikolaev did not fly AM274 on 13 June 1943.
Instead he flew the BD938.
It was interesting to read. I do know Oleg quite well. Also {Mr.} Charleston. Here is a Hurricane I
researched. I also did the research on Hurricane P3351/DR393 now flying in New Zealand.
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricane_Z5252/index.htm
Hope you find it of interest. Look forward to hearing from you in due course.
Regards, Mark
Our initial research had indicated that AM 274 had crashed on 13 June 1943 and was piloted by Jr. Lt. A.F. Nikolaev. Later research proved that AM 274 had actually crashed on 19 June 1943 and was piloted by Jr. Lt. Jurij Ivanovich Maslenninkov, as the information Mark received claimed. Click on the title to read the article Mark published in the September 2009 edition of "Aeroplane".
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24 October 2008 from England:
Hey John, I've just been looking through your huge website again and I am just so impressed - I
mean, really, seriously, impressed with what you are achieving with AM274. And not just the
Hurricane, but everything: the shop is a palace and must be so nice to work in, the machinery you
have must be awesome to do what you are doing with it, you have a 100% supportive and dedicated
wife and you are cracking on with the project at such a rate I can hardly believe it. Fantastic, John.
I wish we were there too, so I could lend a hand now and then, with the easy stuff of course!
More later, have a super weekend, take care guys, Phil
21 September 2007 from Canada:
It has recently come to my attention that you now have the Hurricane package that was previously
owned by the Zalesky family, which I had thought (until a couple of days ago) had gone to Australia.
We've done some sleuthing around between several of us and I was given your website address
today.
In the mid-90s, when I was President of the museum, Mark Zalesky hauled these aircraft up to
Blaine from Georgia, and told me at the time that at least one of them was Canadian-built, as it had
CanCar tags in it. Many (or most?) of the Hurricanes in the batch that include AM274 were
reportedly shipped to Russia, so I am not surprised that a Canadian-built Hurricane has come back
from a crash site in Russia.
Are you sure about the manufacturing year being 1942?? A major British reference monograph on
the Hurricane states that this batch of 150 aircraft(AM270 - AM369, BW835 - BW884) were built in
1941. However, there are some major discrepancies in his data about Canadian-built
Hurricanes.....however, the "BW" series of Sea Hurricanes were taken on RCAF strength in Dec 41
through Jan 42. According to the c/n list that was derived, the "BW" aircraft appear to be been
produced immediately following the "AM" aircraft, so that would put AM274 built some time in 1941.
I'm only available short term, as I am off the the UK on Tuesday, taking a group of people over on
an Air Force Tour of 15 aviation museums in the UK.
Jerry
11 May 2007 from Fort Worth, Texas, USA:
I am inquiring about a Hawker Hurricane wind screen & side windows. The Flying Heritage
Collection referred me to you. Could you tell me please, whether an authentic canopy might be
available and if so, approximately what the sales price might be?
I would really appreciate it,
Dr. Cheri L. Wolfe, Curator
Alcon Eye Museum
We responded to Dr. Wolfe and after some discussion back and forth, JNE Aircraft Restoration Services DID build a replica Hawker Hurricane canopy for a display Dr. Wolfe was preparing on the history of the intra-ocular lenses. During World War II, Dr. Harold Ridley noticed the 'glass' from the Hurricane that became imbedded in the pilots' eyes, were not rejected by the body. That was the beginning of the intra-ocular lenses we are familiar with today!
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28 July 2008 from Finland:
Hello John, I'm in the process of restoring a MK 11B to flying condition in the UK and noted you
were selling a load of spares, with a sale pending. Did you sell them? If the answers no then I might
be interested, If the answers yes then I would be grateful if you could pass on my details to the
purchaser or let me have their details.
I have two airframes, one recovered from Russia and one from Canada, and whilst I have the
majority of the parts required there are still some bits missing and of course I have lots of spares
including the Canadian Identity plate, two useable centre section spars, a tailplane and most of a
rudder assembly.
Do you have any original drawings or manuals? I have approx. 4,000 drawings, plus parts list etc.,
but inevitably there are lots I don't have.
I note you have a Hamilton prop , did you by any chance have a spare ??
Nice web site !
Regards, Phil
We did send Phil's contact information to the individual who purchased our 'spares' project. We have continued our relationship with Phil, and we have both been able to share an abundance of detail and parts source information between us. We so appreciate other's in this field who are so willing and forthcoming in sharing their information since we BOTH have the same ultimate goal ... getting these birds restored and back where they belong ... IN THE AIR once more!! Thanks Phil ~
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3 July 2008 from Canada:
Dear Sir, I was the project manager for the recovery of the Halifax bomber from the lake in Norway
in 1995. It is fully restored now near Toronto.
I am in Bellingham from July 3 to 6 visiting my son and wondered if you would accept visitors for a
short visit during that time.
I do have contacts that may have Canadian Hurricane parts. The manager of the Hurricane factory in
Thunder Bay is a friend of mine - he is about 93 or 94 years old in Ottawa, interesting to talk to you
if you want his contact info.
If you could spare an hour or less I would like to see your Hurricane.
Thanks, Karl
Although we were unable to accommodate Karl during this particular proposed visit, we were able to arrange a visit during his next visit to the west coast, and he has since been by to visit many times. We have also spoken with the manager of the Huricane Facotry he referred to in his email.
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1 December 2008 from Lynnwood, Washington, USA:
As a warbird enthusiast, I am very interested in your Hawker Hurricane restoration project. Is it
possible to visit your workshop and have a look at the Hurricane?
Some of my specs: Born in Amsterdam, living in Lynnwood, WA ~ Volunteer on the Museum of
Flight "Comet" restoration at Paine Field ~ Have been a crew member on a PBY based at Duxford ~
Volunteered with the Dutch Spitfire flight.
Greetings, Heijo
We welcomed Heijo to our shop the following weekend and were delighted with some of the photographs Heijo took of our project. When we were asked about providing photographs for some magazine articles being written about our project, we sent some photographs taken by Heijo!
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We answered Jerry about his comments on the actual build year for AM 274, and as it turned out, Jerry was one of the contributors to the article written about AM 274 by Mark Sheppard in the September 2009 edition of Aeroplane. Click on the title to read the article.
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Click on the title to read the article Nigel published in the November 2008 edition of "FlyPast" and also in the Fall 2008, special edition "Hurricane Salute".
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16 February 2009 from England:
As a former aircraft sheet metalworker with the Royal Air Force in the UK and an avid enthusiast, I
can well imagine the time and effort you all have taken with this project. Now that I have found this
site I will regularly return to it to check your progress.
Well done to you all for investing time, love and money on this worthwhile project, it is only a pity I
live in the UK and not able to see your progress in the flesh.
Good luck, Kieth
23 February 2009 from Canada:
I have been putting together technical drawings for the hurricane for a while, I am looking to trade
some copies of my drawings for drawings that I do not have. Would you be interested in doing this?
Also I am looking for information on Hawker Tube squaring machines, would you have any
information on these?
Many thanks, Ian
20 March 2009 from New Zealand:
Hi I was wondering if you would be able to manufacture the right and left hand panels for a MK1
Hurricane as I see the one's made for your hurricane are of a high quality. I'm based in New
Zealand. I have most of the instrumentation already just let me know what you need.
Many thanks, Duane
After further communication with Duane, John made new panels for him and sent them off to New Zealand.
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23 April 2009 from New Zealand:
Hi ... Have stumbled upon your website and have looked with interest. I was involved with
Hurricane p3351/dr393 restoration in New Zealand ('95-2000), which was particularly challenging
due to there never having been a Hurricane in this part of the world.
I shall continue to watch with interest....you've certainly much work ahead of you. I wish you all the
best in you endeavours.
Regards, Graeme
We responded to Ian about the drawings and then explained that because we are only working on ONE Hawker Hurricane (rather than numerous ones that would necessitate having a tube squaring machine) that John has chosen to utilize aluminum die blocks to square the tubes on the few replacement tubes he has to make. We informed Ian that there is a sketch of a tube squaring machine in the book "The Hurricane II Manual" of the RAF Museum Series. We also told him that Hawker Restorations and Guy Black, both in the UK have tube squaring machines. Our understanding is that Guy Black built the tube squaring machine for Hawker Restorations.
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27 July 2009 from Canada:
I would dearly like to talk to you about your Hurricane project. I am in Vancouver BC and realising
that you probably don't want Looky Loo's or the idly curious taking up your valuable time, I will tell
you that I'd be interested to talk to you from the perspective of Canadian aviation heritage. You may
find the conversation more than interesting! I am very willing to drive down anytime you can break
some time free.
Best wishes, Chris
17 July 2009 from England:
Hello, First and foremost my congratulations on you web site and the progress photos. They provide
me with needed lift during the "what am I doing this for" black moments.
I am slowly putting together a composite static MkII for display, initially engine and cockpit back to
joint G/H but extending to joint T/U and centre section in the long term. It comprises of a number of
recovered components and rebuild items.
This is a true "aircraft in a garage/barn" project and is intended for display at local fairs and
Cockpitfest at Newark Air Museum in the UK.
I have access to a fair number of drawings and collected crash fragments for patterns but find the
photos on your site the immense help in visulisation of the assembly.
Looking at the quality and views posted I assume that you have a great many more photos taken
over the years.
Would you consider selling me CDs containing your progress/reference photos for my private use in
conjunction with my Hurricane project?
Regards, Ross
We responded that we have been collecting photos and drawings for 6 years (at that point) in order to make sure we have what we need to build AM 274. We agreed to look and see what we had to pay for the collection we have. We asked if he might have access to a tail leg that we could copy since being in the USA, there just aren't any lying around! We thought we might be able to do some trading, as we really DO like to help others with their projects, and we have run into considerable resistance from the 'experts' in the Hurricane field when we have asked for help ourselves!
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Chris and his wife drove down from Canada and spent an afternoon with us going over the restoration project and discussing many details about restoration and various ways of displaying completed projects so that more people have the opportunity to actually see our mutual history!
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17 July 2009 from Canada:
Hi John, I read with interest the history of the restoration of your Hawker Hurricane AM 274.
Compliments on the detailed research. Will the plane be capable of flight?
The reason why I'm writing is to pick your brain. We are documentary producers and are
developing a program on the history of the Hurricane, its Canadian engineer Elsie McGill and the
4500 female workers at the Canada Car and Foundry Co. in Fort William.
Can I call you to ask a few questions about the planes that were lost before arriving in England? I
believe they were in the second block of 340 planes produced at CCF. ... numbers between AF945-
AG344.
All the Best, Barry
John got back to Barry and made arrangements for Barry to stop by the shop and see the restoration of AM 274, at which time John was able to answer Barry's questions and give him names of individuals he could contact to get more information about the production line at CCF.
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22 August 2009 from England (by way of Lynnwood, Washington, USA):
Hi Heijo Kuil,
Thank you very much for your wonderful E-mail.
Being as I worked on the Hurricane during the war, I was fascinated by what you have already
completed. This is the sort of thing that I like happening to the Hurricane in this day and age, as
I have always championed the Hurricane since I first worked on them.
Have I your permission to use some of your pictures etc in our magazine, also I would like to put
you forward as a Honourary Member of the Society because of your work etc on the Hurricane.
Kind regards to you all, Bob Hale
To which Heijo replied: Hello Bob Hale and John Norman.
To Bob Hale: John Norman is the person restoring Hawker Hurricane AM274. I only sent you a photo I took of John's Hurricane project. I will sent some more photo's of AM274. John Norman deserves all the credit for his work on the restoration. You have my permission to publish my photo's as I assume John will be pleased to have his Hurricane shown in the Hawker Hurricane Society Magazine.
To John Norman: How do you feel about becoming a Honorary member of the Hawker Hurricane Society? Do they have your permission to publish photo's from your web-site? Are you okay with them publishing my photo's?
Please do a "reply all" to keep us in the loop.
Greetings, Heijo Kuil Warbird Enthusiast and photographer.
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And our reply: Hello Heijo,
Thank you so much for the courtesy you have shown by asking our permission (as well as giving your permission to use your photographs) to publish photos of AM274 ~ prior to publication! We are thrilled to have more people showing an interest in our restoration project and would be delighted to have your photos published in the Hawker Hurricane Society Magazine! The Hawker Hurricane Society does indeed have our permission to publish photos that we have posted to our website. We would only ask to have a copy of the magazine sent to us so that we can include it in our collection of what is published about AM274.
We are honored to be invited to become an Honorary member of the Hawker Hurricane Society, and we Thank You for that!
Once again, Thank you Heijo. We look forward to your next visit.
The Hawker Hurricane Society has gone on to publish photographs of the restoration of AM 274 in their Summer 2009, Winter 2009 and Spring 2010 editions. Click on the links to see the photographs and read the articles published.
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13 August 2009 from Oregon, USA:
John, if I may be so bold, as one who restored Neil Rose's Hawker Hurricane in the 70's and into the
early 90's. I got my {Aeroplane} magazine the other day in the mail and what should I see but
another restoration project of my favorite aircraft! You have done a marvelous job so far on the
bird! It will be a real treat to see a Hurricane in Russian colors!
I spent over 9 1/2 years on Neil's Hurricane, but after that time I just had to "Beg Off" as family life
was getting kind of strained .... I was teaching Aviation Maintenance at Portland Community College,
(Taught there 26 years, retiring in 1995), Doing flight instruction after school with some of the
maintenance students, teaching Community Ed classes after school (evenings, Private, Commercial
and Instrument ground school), and then working the Hurricane at Pearson Airpark the other times!
In the summers I had more time to spend on the Hurri. When I had turned it over to Neil, I had
gotten it covered and up to the silver coat, they got it finished about 3 years later, with all of the
systems and rigging done. It flew from Scappoose Airport, (OR) and I got to see it's first flight. It
went to Abbotsford and then had a landing "Incident", was fixed again and then flew around the area
and then was sold to Jerry Yagen, The Fighter Factory, where it flies regularly.
After retiring from teaching, I went to work for Horizon Airlines, and found I was working with/and
for, about 160 of my former student's! I turned 65, so I retired form Horizon, (I thought after 50
years "Bending Wrenches" was enough) But I also found out that I needed 10 years at Horizon to
get the retiree bennies of reduced fare flight's, etc. so I drove the Flight Crew Shuttle Van for the
next 3 years, retiring a 3rd time!
I am now working on my 4th retirement. At present I volunteer at the WESTERN ANTIQUE
AEROPLANE and AUTOMOBILE MUSEUM, in Hood River, OR. www.waaamuseum.org ......
(give a look.)
Doing restoration work. We just finished a Taylorcraft TG-6 glider and got it over into the museum
just last week.
Again, John, what a good looking job!
Robert
26 September 2009 from Canada:
Hi: I live in Vancouver, BC. Just read the article about your HH restoration in Aeroplane
Magazine. Do you allow visits to see what you are doing? If so where are you based out of? Your
project is fascinating and I would love to bring my son/s to see the work.
Best, David
We responded to David and he and his family stopped by on their way home to Vancouver after spending a Sunday afternoon in Seattle. His son took some photographs of the project as we discussed the history of the aircraft and the restoration as it was progressing at the time.
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28 December 2009 from Pullman, Washington, USA:
What a wonderful web site. I have been a Hurricane fan for a long time, and am building a 92" span
RC model of one right now. Your pictures are invaluable for my project, and are very interesting of
their own accord. Thank you again for making them available via this web site. Best of luck and I
look forward to monitoring your progress. I'm in Pullman in the SE corner of our state.
Sam
10 November 2009 from Las Vegas, Nevada, USA:
Hey John, Just checking the progress. Looks really good. It's nice to see the updates on line. Talk
to you soon. Ryan
22 November 2009 from Norway:
Dear Sir, I´m interested in the Hurricane, can it be sold "as is" and shipped? What is the asking price?
Best regards, Runar
We responded to Runar's inquiry [as we have to others who have asked] about the selling price for AM 274 in it's current (at the time) state of restoration. We have since concluded we will NOT sellAM 274 until restoration to airworthy condition has been completed. We've been required to devote too much time responding to this type inquiry. This takes away from time that could be spent on the actual restoration. Once restoration is complete, AM 274 will be FOR SALE.
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10 November 2009 from Seattle, Washington, USA:
Hello Mr, Norman, I have read, with interest, a magazine article about your Hurricane restoration. I
live in Seattle and am wondering if it is possible to come up to see this project in person?
Thanks for your time. I'm looking forward to your reply.
Sincerely, Carl
P.S. We have more than an interest in airplanes in common... I built a coupe of my own over the
years, I will attach a photo.
We responded to Carl and made arrangements for him to come and visit. He took pictures while he was here and seemed to enjoy his visit.
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We thanked Sam for his kind words and suggested he might want to paint his model in Russian colors as shown on our "History" page. We also asked Sam to let us know if he had any questions we could answer for him as he moves forward with his model project. He replied as follows:
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Hello John and Heather,
Thanks for your quick and friendly reply. I would be interested in modelling my Hurricane (I'm
actually building two) after AM274. I don't think I've seen a RC Hurricane like that and it would
make an interesting and fun scale project. Your restoration looks like a huge task. I've been reading
about the restoration of R4118, which I am modelling the other Hurricane after, and they had a lot of
the original parts but it was still a huge project. Do you have a guestimate as to when your Hurricane
will be ready? I hope you post some video of events like the engine runs and such.
Thank you too for your offer to provide pictures with additional details. The pictures you have
already posted make your site really unique in providing the kind of detail not usually seen. I can't
think of anything right now but I will certainly let you know if I do.
I'll keep in touch with you on this.
Thanks again, and Happy New Year!
Sam
We hope Sam will take photographs of the finished model "R4118" and eventually "AM274" to share with us!
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